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		<title>Comment on HOMO ADORANS AND BIBLICAL LANGUAGES by Howard Merken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Merken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can certainly start our children out on languages while they&#039;re quite young.  I started learning Hebrew as a child both at home in prayers, and in Hebrew school three days a week.  Greek Orthodox children go to Greek school in their churches.

Hassidic youth in Williamsburg, New York, start learning the Hebrew alphabet, the &quot;alephbes&quot; as they call it in Yiddish, at age three.  Then they get to read the Jewish scriptures in Hebrew, and the Talmud in Aramaic-Hebrew jargon.  Their native language is Yiddish, which uses the Hebrew alphabet.  Oh, yes, they also have to learn English in school.  So it can take them four languages to get through a day, three of which use what we call the Hebrew alphabet (it&#039;s actually the Aramaic alphabet, the ancient Hebrew alphabet having been discontinued long ago).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can certainly start our children out on languages while they&#8217;re quite young.  I started learning Hebrew as a child both at home in prayers, and in Hebrew school three days a week.  Greek Orthodox children go to Greek school in their churches.</p>
<p>Hassidic youth in Williamsburg, New York, start learning the Hebrew alphabet, the &#8220;alephbes&#8221; as they call it in Yiddish, at age three.  Then they get to read the Jewish scriptures in Hebrew, and the Talmud in Aramaic-Hebrew jargon.  Their native language is Yiddish, which uses the Hebrew alphabet.  Oh, yes, they also have to learn English in school.  So it can take them four languages to get through a day, three of which use what we call the Hebrew alphabet (it&#8217;s actually the Aramaic alphabet, the ancient Hebrew alphabet having been discontinued long ago).</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOMO ADORANS AND BIBLICAL LANGUAGES by Chuck Hartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hearing is linear.
But we are to build spaces (tabernacles, etc.)
How resolve this?
Peter Leithart in Credenda on Rosenstock-Huessy mentions something such as this:

Time is episodic, formed by speech. Timelines turn times into spaces. (A man and a woman vowing marriage make empires, ERH says elsewhere).

(CH: Covenant Renewal Worship, e.g.).

Therefore, to build the spaces, we need heard language.  What is the first commandment, ERH asks: Hearken, Israel.

You might at least have a Hebrew and Greek word of the day, on the Lord&#039;s Day, with the Hebrew and Greek alphabet somewhere on teh walls (columns in the ancient world sometimes had Eden at the top (flowers, etc.), sometimes words).

In an LCMS church in Des MOines, Iowa, they have a tri-lingual service. Sudanese, Lao, English.

I propose that our services should have various types of music in sequence, and various languages, in some sense.
ERH says that the order of service is: Imperative, subjuncitve, past, eternal indicative. Magna Carta Latina.

Thus we build the spaces we are to build, by amening God&#039;s speech, don&#039;t we?

There is much work to be done.

You are stepping out in the right way.

Thanks!

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hearing is linear.<br />
But we are to build spaces (tabernacles, etc.)<br />
How resolve this?<br />
Peter Leithart in Credenda on Rosenstock-Huessy mentions something such as this:</p>
<p>Time is episodic, formed by speech. Timelines turn times into spaces. (A man and a woman vowing marriage make empires, ERH says elsewhere).</p>
<p>(CH: Covenant Renewal Worship, e.g.).</p>
<p>Therefore, to build the spaces, we need heard language.  What is the first commandment, ERH asks: Hearken, Israel.</p>
<p>You might at least have a Hebrew and Greek word of the day, on the Lord&#8217;s Day, with the Hebrew and Greek alphabet somewhere on teh walls (columns in the ancient world sometimes had Eden at the top (flowers, etc.), sometimes words).</p>
<p>In an LCMS church in Des MOines, Iowa, they have a tri-lingual service. Sudanese, Lao, English.</p>
<p>I propose that our services should have various types of music in sequence, and various languages, in some sense.<br />
ERH says that the order of service is: Imperative, subjuncitve, past, eternal indicative. Magna Carta Latina.</p>
<p>Thus we build the spaces we are to build, by amening God&#8217;s speech, don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>There is much work to be done.</p>
<p>You are stepping out in the right way.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Love in King Jesus,</p>
<p>Chuck<br />
member/ambassador</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOMO ADORANS AND BIBLICAL LANGUAGES by Matt Dau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing out the formatting error.  Glad to be an encouragement!</description>
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		<title>Comment on HOMO ADORANS AND BIBLICAL LANGUAGES by Randy Talbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Talbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 05:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article, I find to very encouraging as I try to learn Biblical Hebrew. 
On a technical note on your website it seem that after the quote by Douglas Wilson the right side words seem to be cut off a little. Can you fix this?
Randy Talbot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article, I find to very encouraging as I try to learn Biblical Hebrew.<br />
On a technical note on your website it seem that after the quote by Douglas Wilson the right side words seem to be cut off a little. Can you fix this?<br />
Randy Talbot</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homo Adorans: What&#8217;s It All About? by Chuck Hartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Translating&#039; Leviticus: How would one go about preparing a calendar that better points the way toward the second coming of Jesus, as the Levitical festival calendar pointed toward His first coming?

Dear Elder Tuuri and All:

    Your wise comments about the tribute offering bring to mind two, yea 3, things:

    1--Wise men have said that one of the most necessary projects today is a better translation of Leviticus.

    2--And Lord&#039;s Day 6 of the Heidelberg Catechism, , Question 19, indicates that one of the ways we know our Mediator is by the foreshadowings by the sacrifices and other ceremonies of the Law.

    3--This brings up the question of the calendar(s) of the Israel of Old. How did the festival calendar, especially, point to Jesus&#039; coming?

    And given that, how should our festival calendar point to Jesus&#039; coming again?

    This is important for homo adorans because things such as a church year, and/or worshiping every 7 days are very important.

    Surely, calendars shape our actions. Community events, work schedules, the above ecclesiastical organization of times, the academic semesters, etc. are all very important.

    I have proposed an answer, in the form of a calendar, elsewhere.

    But my question to the group is this:  How would one go about preparing a calendar that better points the way toward the second coming of Jesus, as the Levitical festival calendar pointed toward His first coming?

    This &#039;translation&#039; would not be of the words only, but of the purposes of the Levitical festival calendar before Jesus&#039; first coming, translated into the time after His first coming, and before His second coming.

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck
member/ambassador</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Translating&#8217; Leviticus: How would one go about preparing a calendar that better points the way toward the second coming of Jesus, as the Levitical festival calendar pointed toward His first coming?</p>
<p>Dear Elder Tuuri and All:</p>
<p>    Your wise comments about the tribute offering bring to mind two, yea 3, things:</p>
<p>    1&#8211;Wise men have said that one of the most necessary projects today is a better translation of Leviticus.</p>
<p>    2&#8211;And Lord&#8217;s Day 6 of the Heidelberg Catechism, , Question 19, indicates that one of the ways we know our Mediator is by the foreshadowings by the sacrifices and other ceremonies of the Law.</p>
<p>    3&#8211;This brings up the question of the calendar(s) of the Israel of Old. How did the festival calendar, especially, point to Jesus&#8217; coming?</p>
<p>    And given that, how should our festival calendar point to Jesus&#8217; coming again?</p>
<p>    This is important for homo adorans because things such as a church year, and/or worshiping every 7 days are very important.</p>
<p>    Surely, calendars shape our actions. Community events, work schedules, the above ecclesiastical organization of times, the academic semesters, etc. are all very important.</p>
<p>    I have proposed an answer, in the form of a calendar, elsewhere.</p>
<p>    But my question to the group is this:  How would one go about preparing a calendar that better points the way toward the second coming of Jesus, as the Levitical festival calendar pointed toward His first coming?</p>
<p>    This &#8216;translation&#8217; would not be of the words only, but of the purposes of the Levitical festival calendar before Jesus&#8217; first coming, translated into the time after His first coming, and before His second coming.</p>
<p>Love in King Jesus,</p>
<p>Chuck<br />
member/ambassador</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homo Adorans: What&#8217;s It All About? by dougfloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougfloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As best as I remember, Schmemman also considers the garden through the lens of receiving a gift given versus grasping what has not been given. Instead of receiving the gifts of the garden with a heart of gratitude, man grasps the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. 

As I think about your discussion of homo adorans in relation to education, I think this idea of gift versus grasp. I think of the myth of Prometheus stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans as an image of the origin of arts and culture. 

So I think you&#039;re discussion of adorans as the source and the focus of our educational and cultural activities, provides an excellent contrast with the idea of grasp. This is the passion of excellence proceeds from worship and returns to worship as a celebration of God&#039;s generous and ever surprising gifts of life and love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As best as I remember, Schmemman also considers the garden through the lens of receiving a gift given versus grasping what has not been given. Instead of receiving the gifts of the garden with a heart of gratitude, man grasps the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. </p>
<p>As I think about your discussion of homo adorans in relation to education, I think this idea of gift versus grasp. I think of the myth of Prometheus stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans as an image of the origin of arts and culture. </p>
<p>So I think you&#8217;re discussion of adorans as the source and the focus of our educational and cultural activities, provides an excellent contrast with the idea of grasp. This is the passion of excellence proceeds from worship and returns to worship as a celebration of God&#8217;s generous and ever surprising gifts of life and love.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homo Adorans: What&#8217;s It All About? by Chuck Hartman</title>
		<link>http://homoadorans.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/homo-adorans-whats-it-all-about/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part One: Educational uses of Lectionary Historical, for example 

   This is based on Romans 1:21, and &#039;apprehending big chunks of time&#039;.

   In this basic version, we divide 4 significant stretches of time into 49 parts. Each of the 49 parts of each of the 4 stretches is remembered each week of the year, from Celebration of Resurrection to Celebration of Resurrection.

   Thus we and our children remember what GodTrinity has done, and we can properly thank Him.

   The 4 significant stretches of time are:
1--Ussher&#039;s Creation to A. D. 70--The4074 years, @ 84 years per week
(Use his book, The Annals of the World. Jordan&#039;s chronology differs, but is close, and is not so readily available. See Biblical Chronology at www.biblicalhorizons.com, and/or at www.freebooks.com).
2--The1939, from A. D. 70 to Present (up to A. D. 2009) @ 40 years per week. (An inexpensive source would be Gonzalez&#039; History of Christianity. Also useful would be a book such as The 100 Most Significant Events in Christian History).
3--The6013, putting both of the first two together, @ 125 years per week.
4--TheThousandsOfGenerations, @ 2501 years per week.  This takes the date of Exodus/Sinai as 2513 AM (Anno Mundi), and a generation as 40 yers, and &#039;thousands&#039; in the Second Word to be at least 3000--per Hebrew scholars--meaning that God will bless those who love Him for 120,000 years minimum (3000 generations x 40 years) plus 2513.  Dividing 122,513 by 49 gives us @ 2501 years per week.

   When we have the significant events in each of these time stretches, and remember them each week, we begin to be able to apprehend big chunks of time better, and we can &#039;see&#039; what God hath wrought, and thank him more properly.

    Against these 4, we can put such things as Olaf Stapledon&#039;s Last and First Men, the Big History of science&#039;s 14.5 billion years (Teaching Company and Ray Kurzweil), the longer stretch of Vedic history (Cremo, Forbidden Archeology), etc.

    Future topics.  How to pray the Psalms through the year--based on Jordan&#039;s Psalms Conference lectures.
     Prayer O Day. Another way of praying history, using Rosenstock-Huessy&#039;s schema, and Jordan&#039;s (from Crisis, Opportunity, and the Christian Future).
     Why rename the days?  Because we have a new firmament, the churches, and because after a big change, the universe is retuned.
K.O.L.Yom, SardisYom, PergamosYom, EphesusYom, PhiladelphisYom, ThyatiraYom, SmyrnaYom.  When we combine this with the eras of &#039;Old Testament&#039; history that each church in Revelation is about, we amen all of history, since Revelation is recapitulatively proleptic.  That is, what hapens in Revelation sums up the whole Bible, portrays the events from Pentecost to A. D. 70, and is typological of the time from A. D. 70 to The Great Day of Final Judgment.
     In HouseOfSingingTimesSuperCalendarHOST 30 covenant sequences are rhymed. The key one is naming the weeks after the books in JBJ&#039;s 49-book Bible, and proceeding through the eyar from Resurrection to Resurrection retuned and &#039;backwards&#039;, with the Exodus at the end, maturing us by having us Christians live in the light of the last day, as Jesus must go to Jerusalem to accomplish his demise (exodos in Greek). I also amen Revelation by having holidays similar.  The whole integrates Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy&#039;s 4 types of calendars also--community/tribal, work/empire, ecclesiastical/Israel, academic/Greek.
     The Season are based on the Beatitudes, 7 seasons. Peacemakers, Persecuted, Ye Persecuted are put together at the end, when the portrayal of Satan&#039;s Loosing To Deceive All Nations is made, and all kinds of things come together.
    
     These are all teaching and transforming tools, based on rites of transformation as written about in Jordan&#039;s Through New Eyes cahpter of that name.

   Well, this is too long already, and many more things are to come.  The best ones are two attempts to portray the next eras, based on ERH and JBJ. The SymphonyOfHistory and MaeDay80.

   Summation:
Transcendence, First Word: How can love conquer death? ERH (rhyming)
Hierarchy: Lectionary Historical, Second Word
Ethics: The Symphony Of History, Third Word
Oath and Sanctions: HouseOfSingingTimesSuperCalendarHOST, Fourth Word.
Succession: M&#039;aidezMaydayMaeDay80, Fifth Word.


   Thanks for letting me blog. The material is posted at www.scribd.com, the url above, and here  http://www.scribd.com/doc/33383/HOST6733Rhyming-Covenant-Sequences.
Later, we&#039;ll get organized!

   It will be good to get the stuff we&#039;ve worked on out and being used by people on the front lines.

   It will be even better to see the great improvements that are made.

    This will be similar to what is talked about on Tape 11 in JBJ&#039;s OT Survey, Part One.  First there is a covenant of an individual man (though my stuff is therapy, learned at the Post Office, from JBJ, ERH, GKN, and Jay Abraham).

    Then, after death and resurrection--the changes people will make as the baby grows--comes a more glorious covenant of woman (the glory of the man) and community.

    That&#039;s maturity--it will hurt, but it will hurt &#039;good&#039;!

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck
member/ambassador
edencity@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part One: Educational uses of Lectionary Historical, for example </p>
<p>   This is based on Romans 1:21, and &#8216;apprehending big chunks of time&#8217;.</p>
<p>   In this basic version, we divide 4 significant stretches of time into 49 parts. Each of the 49 parts of each of the 4 stretches is remembered each week of the year, from Celebration of Resurrection to Celebration of Resurrection.</p>
<p>   Thus we and our children remember what GodTrinity has done, and we can properly thank Him.</p>
<p>   The 4 significant stretches of time are:<br />
1&#8211;Ussher&#8217;s Creation to A. D. 70&#8211;The4074 years, @ 84 years per week<br />
(Use his book, The Annals of the World. Jordan&#8217;s chronology differs, but is close, and is not so readily available. See Biblical Chronology at <a href="http://www.biblicalhorizons.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblicalhorizons.com</a>, and/or at <a href="http://www.freebooks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freebooks.com</a>).<br />
2&#8211;The1939, from A. D. 70 to Present (up to A. D. 2009) @ 40 years per week. (An inexpensive source would be Gonzalez&#8217; History of Christianity. Also useful would be a book such as The 100 Most Significant Events in Christian History).<br />
3&#8211;The6013, putting both of the first two together, @ 125 years per week.<br />
4&#8211;TheThousandsOfGenerations, @ 2501 years per week.  This takes the date of Exodus/Sinai as 2513 AM (Anno Mundi), and a generation as 40 yers, and &#8216;thousands&#8217; in the Second Word to be at least 3000&#8211;per Hebrew scholars&#8211;meaning that God will bless those who love Him for 120,000 years minimum (3000 generations x 40 years) plus 2513.  Dividing 122,513 by 49 gives us @ 2501 years per week.</p>
<p>   When we have the significant events in each of these time stretches, and remember them each week, we begin to be able to apprehend big chunks of time better, and we can &#8217;see&#8217; what God hath wrought, and thank him more properly.</p>
<p>    Against these 4, we can put such things as Olaf Stapledon&#8217;s Last and First Men, the Big History of science&#8217;s 14.5 billion years (Teaching Company and Ray Kurzweil), the longer stretch of Vedic history (Cremo, Forbidden Archeology), etc.</p>
<p>    Future topics.  How to pray the Psalms through the year&#8211;based on Jordan&#8217;s Psalms Conference lectures.<br />
     Prayer O Day. Another way of praying history, using Rosenstock-Huessy&#8217;s schema, and Jordan&#8217;s (from Crisis, Opportunity, and the Christian Future).<br />
     Why rename the days?  Because we have a new firmament, the churches, and because after a big change, the universe is retuned.<br />
K.O.L.Yom, SardisYom, PergamosYom, EphesusYom, PhiladelphisYom, ThyatiraYom, SmyrnaYom.  When we combine this with the eras of &#8216;Old Testament&#8217; history that each church in Revelation is about, we amen all of history, since Revelation is recapitulatively proleptic.  That is, what hapens in Revelation sums up the whole Bible, portrays the events from Pentecost to A. D. 70, and is typological of the time from A. D. 70 to The Great Day of Final Judgment.<br />
     In HouseOfSingingTimesSuperCalendarHOST 30 covenant sequences are rhymed. The key one is naming the weeks after the books in JBJ&#8217;s 49-book Bible, and proceeding through the eyar from Resurrection to Resurrection retuned and &#8216;backwards&#8217;, with the Exodus at the end, maturing us by having us Christians live in the light of the last day, as Jesus must go to Jerusalem to accomplish his demise (exodos in Greek). I also amen Revelation by having holidays similar.  The whole integrates Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy&#8217;s 4 types of calendars also&#8211;community/tribal, work/empire, ecclesiastical/Israel, academic/Greek.<br />
     The Season are based on the Beatitudes, 7 seasons. Peacemakers, Persecuted, Ye Persecuted are put together at the end, when the portrayal of Satan&#8217;s Loosing To Deceive All Nations is made, and all kinds of things come together.</p>
<p>     These are all teaching and transforming tools, based on rites of transformation as written about in Jordan&#8217;s Through New Eyes cahpter of that name.</p>
<p>   Well, this is too long already, and many more things are to come.  The best ones are two attempts to portray the next eras, based on ERH and JBJ. The SymphonyOfHistory and MaeDay80.</p>
<p>   Summation:<br />
Transcendence, First Word: How can love conquer death? ERH (rhyming)<br />
Hierarchy: Lectionary Historical, Second Word<br />
Ethics: The Symphony Of History, Third Word<br />
Oath and Sanctions: HouseOfSingingTimesSuperCalendarHOST, Fourth Word.<br />
Succession: M&#8217;aidezMaydayMaeDay80, Fifth Word.</p>
<p>   Thanks for letting me blog. The material is posted at <a href="http://www.scribd.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com</a>, the url above, and here  <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/33383/HOST6733Rhyming-Covenant-Sequences" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/33383/HOST6733Rhyming-Covenant-Sequences</a>.<br />
Later, we&#8217;ll get organized!</p>
<p>   It will be good to get the stuff we&#8217;ve worked on out and being used by people on the front lines.</p>
<p>   It will be even better to see the great improvements that are made.</p>
<p>    This will be similar to what is talked about on Tape 11 in JBJ&#8217;s OT Survey, Part One.  First there is a covenant of an individual man (though my stuff is therapy, learned at the Post Office, from JBJ, ERH, GKN, and Jay Abraham).</p>
<p>    Then, after death and resurrection&#8211;the changes people will make as the baby grows&#8211;comes a more glorious covenant of woman (the glory of the man) and community.</p>
<p>    That&#8217;s maturity&#8211;it will hurt, but it will hurt &#8216;good&#8217;!</p>
<p>Love in King Jesus,</p>
<p>Chuck<br />
member/ambassador<br />
<a href="mailto:edencity@aol.com">edencity@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Homo Adorans: What&#8217;s It All About? by Doug Roorda</title>
		<link>http://homoadorans.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/homo-adorans-whats-it-all-about/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Roorda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

I hope I can add a little to what Chuck has said at a later date. One very brief comment I&#039;ll make is there is a way of teaching and viewing Biblical chronology which can be taught to young people which will help them to see the chronological relationships God has placed in the Bible. Questions like &quot;who was still alive when Abraham died&quot; (answer, if I&#039;m not mistaken: Eber); how do we untangle all the Judges (answer: there were things going on in the north, central and south of Israel, sometimes at the same time, sometimes at different times; learning Biblical chronology helps sort that out.) Etc. We&#039;ve found a way to display the major chronological relationships from creation to Christ on a single sheet of paper, with easy call-outs to more detailed information (alas, it needs more attention, which I hope to provide this summer!).

This is a very small part of what Chuck has envisioned, and I hope as well to help him bring out his insights.

Blessings in Christ,
Doug Roorda
(elder, Christ the Redeemer Church - CREC)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>I hope I can add a little to what Chuck has said at a later date. One very brief comment I&#8217;ll make is there is a way of teaching and viewing Biblical chronology which can be taught to young people which will help them to see the chronological relationships God has placed in the Bible. Questions like &#8220;who was still alive when Abraham died&#8221; (answer, if I&#8217;m not mistaken: Eber); how do we untangle all the Judges (answer: there were things going on in the north, central and south of Israel, sometimes at the same time, sometimes at different times; learning Biblical chronology helps sort that out.) Etc. We&#8217;ve found a way to display the major chronological relationships from creation to Christ on a single sheet of paper, with easy call-outs to more detailed information (alas, it needs more attention, which I hope to provide this summer!).</p>
<p>This is a very small part of what Chuck has envisioned, and I hope as well to help him bring out his insights.</p>
<p>Blessings in Christ,<br />
Doug Roorda<br />
(elder, Christ the Redeemer Church &#8211; CREC)<br />
Pella, Iows</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homo Adorans: What&#8217;s It All About? by Chuck Hartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!

You might look at this:  http://www.scribd.com/doc/230598/Opus-3-TH-E-Symphony-O-History-transcripts-Typological-Hospitality-Evangelism

It&#039;s on www.scribd.com, Charles Hartman.

What it tries to do it to make a tabernacle of people.  She is the sign now, similar to the Tabernacle being the sign for the Decalogue, or world model.  The Psalms for the Temple.  This is per James Jordan.

Opus 15 under my documents at www.scribd.com has a better model, usinge the beatitudes, rather than the first 4 days of creation, as does Opus 3, which is a transcript of what we did/composed/played/were in a dusty ghost town is western Iowa in 1997.

One can learn to do a &#039;symphony of history&#039; (ERH) by just reciting the score of this opus 3.  We plan to do this this year in Pella.

Thanks again.

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>You might look at this:  <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/230598/Opus-3-TH-E-Symphony-O-History-transcripts-Typological-Hospitality-Evangelism" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/230598/Opus-3-TH-E-Symphony-O-History-transcripts-Typological-Hospitality-Evangelism</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s on <a href="http://www.scribd.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com</a>, Charles Hartman.</p>
<p>What it tries to do it to make a tabernacle of people.  She is the sign now, similar to the Tabernacle being the sign for the Decalogue, or world model.  The Psalms for the Temple.  This is per James Jordan.</p>
<p>Opus 15 under my documents at <a href="http://www.scribd.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com</a> has a better model, usinge the beatitudes, rather than the first 4 days of creation, as does Opus 3, which is a transcript of what we did/composed/played/were in a dusty ghost town is western Iowa in 1997.</p>
<p>One can learn to do a &#8217;symphony of history&#8217; (ERH) by just reciting the score of this opus 3.  We plan to do this this year in Pella.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>Love in King Jesus,</p>
<p>Chuck<br />
member/ambassador</p>
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